Scientists disagree with Trump: Drought, not bad management, worsened wildfires

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https://nypost.com/2018/11/13/scientists-disagree-with-trump-drought-not-bad-management-worsened-wildfires/

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WASHINGTON — Both nature and humans share blame for California’s devastating wildfires, but forest management did not play a major role, despite President Donald Trump’s claims, fire scientists say.

Nature provides the dangerous winds that have whipped the fires, and human-caused climate change over the long haul is killing and drying the shrubs and trees that provide the fuel, experts say.

“Natural factors and human-caused global warming effects fatally collude” in these fires, said wildfire expert Kristen Thornicke of the Potsdam Institute…

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8 thoughts on “Scientists disagree with Trump: Drought, not bad management, worsened wildfires”

  1. He’s actually a bit right in that clearing better around power lines would help prevent fire. Also, steel rather than wood pylon power lines. Better would be rooftop household-neighborhood-community solar.

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    1. The entire top down fossil and nuclear fueled monopoly controlled by the 1 percent is the problem, and Trump symbolizes that. He denies global warming, promotes both fossil and nuclear fuels, which cause global warming, desertification and worse droughts. As forests dry out, they die, which increases the fire dangers and ferocity once they start. No clearing or steel posts will prevent what is going to happen, as global warming worsens and fires expand/spread beyond current imagination.

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  2. I got an impression from this video that Trump has a point. It points out under Bill Clinton admin. they made that rule about leaving old logs all around and not allowing harvesting them… beetles love it etc. making some problems worse.
    These fires had a drought… but they also had huge amounts of fuel from these killed but not removed trees.

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    1. The Forest service is doing controlled burns. The video claiming that all of these dead trees are due to girdling and spraying chemicals is ludicrous. No one I know that has spent plenty of time in the woods of California ever saw this or heard about it. Private companies may be doing it, but that is their business. In addition, the video completely dismisses global warming, and drought, so in my mind it is totally fake, with almost no evidence other than 2 companies that allegedly admitted to doing this to the trees that they own on private land. I really doubt private companies would do this to trees, seeing how it increases the fire danger and takes quite a while to accomplish per tree, resulting in huge labor costs. If they can provide links to articles and quotes, I may give this some credence, but otherwise, it is kind of like the energy directed weapons conspiracy theory causing forest fires and burning up cars.

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      1. OK – I will say I don’t know if the video showing herbicide spray is a common practice … however I think there is too much fuel laying around that used to be cleared out. In other regions independent loggers go in and get those logs and sell them to take them to a mill etc. and make a living doing it.

        I agree with this fellow (II used to feature more when I was covering the Oroville dam story).

        They know how to do do better, but big timber companies create the policy these days.

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  3. FRANK ZAPPA, NUCULAR SPACESHIPS, THE FIRES

    THERE WERE 3 RADIATION FALLOUT RELEASES AT SANTA SUSANA NOT 1. THEY OCCURED IN 1959, 1964, 1969

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-20140613-column.html%3foutputType=amp

    “Until 2006, the site was operated by private corporations for federal agencies — chiefly NASA. The problems there began in 1959, when a nuclear reactor partially melted down, contaminating portions of the hilltop facility and spewing radioactive gases into the atmosphere. That incident wasn’t publicly disclosed until 1979. By then, more mishaps had followed, including reactor accidents in 1964 and 1969. The worst contamination is thought to be in a parcel known as Area IV, where the meltdown occurred”

    50 years of the worst radioactive shit in the universe accumulated in simi valley. 3 meltdowns. Multiple ignitions of shitty nuclear reactor engines, that just spewed radioactive shit into the valley, everytime they fired it off.  The recent fires picked up that cesium 137, plutonium yada yada yada, and suspended it in the air all over so cal. 

    I knew a Doctor raised south of Santa Susana. His one and only child was born deaf and blind with deformities. His three siblings died of cancer, at relatively young ages.

    Frank Zappa was from lancaster, and went to High School close to there. His father was affiliated with government research close to santa susana. FRANK may not have been in Lancaster when the first meltdown coccured, but there was nuclear research there in the early 50s.

    Frank zappa died of the most hideous, fast growing metastatic-prostate cancer possible. That was at age 53.

    Now Russia says, they are gonna build a nuclear rocket to send to mars. Like the Nuclear Rockets and reactors, they were testing at Santa Susana.

    Russia can barely make nuclear submarines, that do not irradiate their crews ro death, after a few runs.  Even their newest, most modern reactor designs are atrocious heaps of junk. They tried testing a nuclear propelled cruise rocket recently, and lost it to further irradiate the hell out of the earths oceans.

    Russia’s newest commercial nuclear reactors, that they are pawning off on 3rd and 2nd world countries, have big problems. They leak like a sieve of tritium and the worst radionuclides. They have shitty containment. Their structural integrity is so poor, they can blow at any time. The fuel they use is unstable and dangerous.

    I predict the Russians will kill a few thousand people, building their nuclear rocket-death-trap. They will permanently contaminate, a few towns in siberia-Santa Susana-style. They will ruin all life there. They will  give, what workers that survive the project short lives and cancer, with great risk of reproducing.

    When they do get  their nuclear mars abomination  going, they will probably have an accident shooting the nuclear motor into orbit. There will be a few hundred or more pounds of plutonium chunks and massive amounts of radioactive plutonium vapor, dispersed on the earth.

    If they do get a nuclear rocket up, it will most likely irradiate its crew to death, quite quickly or explode when they fire-up the nuclear reactor  motor and, try to push fuel through it. The fuel that exits the reactor  rocket nozzel, to propel their howdy-doody nuclear spaceship is radioactive as fuk, by the way. Just like the propellent exiting the nuclear rocket nozzel at santa susana, when they were testing nuclear rocket motors At Santa Susana. Only the russians have a worse record with exploding small nuclear reactors than murica does.  Major accidents have occured  several times with new russian, submarine projects. 

    Let us say the russian-nuke spaceship, does get them past the moon. It will probably begin irradiating the crew as they venture into the void, to mars because  of the crappy reactor they will be using.  That and, the unavoidable large amounts of cosmic radiation they will be exposed to, on the way to mars and there is no way to shield it! The crew, will be radiation sick, within the first quarter of the journey to mars.

    I knew a Doctor from Russia, who was a survivior of the Chazma Bay Nuclear Submarime-Reactor explosion. The Nuclear submarine, exploded in the dock. The lady is Permanently disabled. Thousands of people ruined by it, not hundreds.
    There was the Kurkst nuclear sub explosion, in the barrent sea. A recent one in 2011. Dozens more.

    The USA lies its ass off too, as we already know.  There were the 3 meltdowns associated with the experimental sodium reactor, at Santa Susana. The “Mishaps” occured between 1958 and 1971.

    People in murica are brainwashed to accept their bullshit. Areas of the western United states, are twice as irradiated, as some of the bad places in russia. There have been Multiple nuclear sub accidents, from murican nuclear subs. American nuclear sub shit dont stink, so yu don’t know about it.

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